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Is affirmative action destroying South Africa?

S01 · E03·8:00·EN·May 15, 2026

Mandela and de Klerk get into a heated argument about affirmative action under the ANC.

About this episode

Join Bishop Desmond Tutu as he listens to an astonishing and angry debate between Nelson Mandela and F.W. de Klerk. Set against the backdrop of South Africa's complex socio-political tapestry, this episode delves into the contentious issue of affirmative action and the role it has played in compelling thousands of white South Africans to leave the country. The heated conversation sheds light on the enduring legacy of apartheid and the ongoing quest for equality and justice in post-apartheid South Africa.